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Disclaimer: There is about to be an essay here, if you are incapible of reading then you should move on to a thread that supports slower mind function.
Summary: Paypal sucks, online gaming merchants are at the highest risk for fraud right now, due to loopholes in the system.
You people here at LoD wonder why I am such a crude and Immoral person, I could give so many reasons why I just hate society, and the way this country is run, and why I simply hate people.
Corporate corruption, government, religion, economy, races.
Well today I am just going to give a prime example of what is behind corporate corruption again....
As you probably know I just got scammed out of my eBay auction for a matter of 950 dollars. I was able to recover the accounts, but anything that was worth anything was stolen.
I can't believe how fucking stupid people are. I've already done more investigational work on this scammer than eBay and Paypal has done in TWO fucking weeks.
My hands are tied, even though I've provided significant evidence to convict this felon.
Apparently Paypal declared that I was a recipiant of fradulent funds, even though I know it's just the eBayer trying to back out of what he already took. He used a valid eBay account with over 50 positive feedbacks at 100%. I think it was some kids parents account he used.
This gave him more credibility. Paypal fucked me over when my money was pending withdrawl to my bank account.
This wasn't a MISTAKE on my part AT ALL. All this information was clearly explained to me, when I finally found paypal's customer service number on their web site.
See, even if I waited and had the money sitting in my bank account, and this person claimed that he was a victim of fraud, it would of been illegal to have that money in my bank account. Paypal would put a negative value in my paypal account, and freeze the account.
If I didn't cover the negative balance, paypal would send a collection agency to me to claim money that is owed, or else I'd have to go to jail and serve a jail session for something somone else initiated.
This is pretty much how Paypal broke it down for me.
SO INCASE YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT SELLING YOUR ONLINE GAMING ACCOUNTS, CONSIDER THIS USEFULL ADVICE!
Hell you could use this Advice to YOUR advantage, considering you could actually get away with fraud, then turn around and sell the shit you get, and accept only money orders!
I've already been told by Paypal that it's going to be a difficult case to decypher considering the Items were all "virtual."
This has nothing to do with the item being "virtual." or not. Paypal told me the money was there, I immediately withdrew the funds. This excuse of "virtual" items, is just an excuse for people to use loopholes in the system to get away with unlegit shit, because they are too much of an idiot to learn how to scam newbies legitimately in the game.
There is a reason I obtained 34.6 million gold. Did I scam people on eBay or paypal? No. Have I ever hacked someone's account or tried to? No. If I had the chance to hack Maj and take all of his stuff, would I do so, and delete his characters? No, I am not one to fuck people over like that, that's straight up immaturity. Did I sit there and kill pink dragons in Jewbie land? No. I took advantage of players, by joining their guild, then looting their houses, and pking their members. I pked people in dungeons who obtained very nice powerscrolls, quite a few lucky ones too. Everything was done legitmately, where as someone has to take a legal risk by using financial loopholes to gain unauthorized access to my accounts. I never begged for people's trust. Any trust that people gave to me, I honored it. Hell, me and Sir Fetus used to flame each other left and right on these boards, I proved my word when I told him I would transfer over his 1 million gold check to his other character. I never screwed him over, I didn't like him at the time, but I keep my word.
But if this eBaying asshole lived here in Colorado, I wouldn't of made a second thought about killing his ass. Even if it was some punk kid, I'd have to kill his family too. I don't ever stop to think of the consequences when somone fucks me over. That's why I am so hatefull and decietfull. People in School often thought of be as being the Psycho kid, that noone wanted to associate with. I would purposly come to school wearing dirty clothes, or have my hair all tangled up, just to see who had the balls to say something to me, so I'd send them to the nurse, and have 5 days off from School.
Sometimes I'd beat people up for no apparent reason. All they would have to do was look at me, and that's all it took for an asswhoopin.
You guys really think I chickend out on Borric? I'd like for any of you to prove it. I did decline the "area", considering it was around 45 miles away from where I lived, plus I hate that part of town. All I wanted was an old fashioned street brawl, wasn't too much to ask. In fact I was looking forward to it. I havn't lost one fight, except for the exception of getting unexpecedtly jumped by 5 guys on my way back from lunch at school one day.
If I didn't have to pay shitty rent, and fucking utilities, I'd fly over to this eBay scamming rednecks trailer in North Carolina, and kill his ass.
It's the kind of shit that makes me sick.
The REASON why I am posting this here Is because I SERIOUSLY FUCKING ADVISE ANYONE, and EVERYONE to stay the fuck away from eBay and especially PAYPAL.
I love being hatefull, striking fear into peoples eyes is what I do best in real life.
Trillian/ICQ Event Logs:
[color:"red"]Session Start (ICQ - 3508577:David): Wed Feb 02 23:49:26 2004
Souless: Guess what Joshua XXXXX? You're going to jail. ;-)
Souless: If you're not Joshua XXXXX then I aplogize, but basically
you're fucked <img src="/~stretch/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Session Close (David): Wed Feb 02 23:50:28 2004
Session Start (ICQ - 3508577:David): Thu Feb 05 18:26:45 2004
Souless: Why aren't you answering my ICQs asshole?
Souless: You're going to jail anyways, so you might as well face it.
Souless: You'll have a long, 18 inch black cock inserted into your ass,
and while he's pounding you, you'll be explaining your crimes to him.
Souless: You going to answer me, or hide behind your blossoming
computer fraud career like the pussy you are?
David: haha stfu
David: u can't provwe anything
Souless: Prove what? 24.26.28.204 <- this is not your ip?
David: thats not my i.p.
Souless: Yes it is you idiot. roadrunner.com in VA [email]abuse@rr.com?[/email] Redneck huh? how's the trailer park life treating you?
David: prove it then ass
Souless: ok idiot, send me an email then.
David: no
Souless: a little slow today?
Souless: why not idiot? you were dumb enough to use a static i.p.
connection to the internet, and log in the same Icq/ebay/paypal you used to conduct
a fradulent transaction with that ip, why not be just as dumb by proving me right.
Souless: makes sense huh?
David: so....
Souless: So? It's quite possible that you would inevitably get away
with this, but how is that going to stop my knife from cutting your
throat? You said you had a wife too didn't you, thats why you didn't want me to call you by phone?
Souless: youll have a new wife instead, he'll be wearing spandex and his name will be akimbe, and his role in life is to break you in. get it?
David: ok shitead, i've had enough of this talk. if I do get
caught ill just send them this log file of u harassing and threanin me
fucker u better stop.
Souless: Or else what? You think after all of what you've done so far
that you have any credibility in this issue whatsoever?
David: well ur threatning me and thats a crime too.
Souless: You don't think that 950 dollars is much of an issue? I could
pay a small fraction of that to spread your entrails over state lines
dipshit.
David: stop harassing me!
Souless: this isn't a GM page que idiot, there is life beyond UO you
know. Thus why I am selling everything I own in UO.
David: u quit cuz you sux at uo.
Souless: No, I quit because I got tired of seeing neon purple weapons,
and etheral underwear. UO has turned so homosexual, it's no wonder you're quick to make a 1 way trip to jail.
David: theres no eth underwear u noob
Souless: I was being sarcastic you fucking degenerate.
Souless: stop trying to change the subject
Souless: you're fucked so just face it
Souless: if you don't send a verifiable payment in this week or next
week youd better go into hiding, I'll track you down myself if i have
to, and I'll first hopitalize you, and later just shoot you like a dog.
David: well i got a gun so if u try....
Souless: I would suggest using that gun on yourself, and take yourself
out. you're a damn fool, and someone needs to stop your kind from
breeding it might as well just be you!
David: fuck you
Souless: hold that thought in the meantime check out this picture, i
made it just for you:
http://mypeoplepc.com/members/columbine1/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bubba2.jpg
David: nice pic is that you? im putting you on ignore now plus ill save this if i have to go to court because of u.
Session Close (David): Thu Feb 05 19:35:32 2004
Session Start (ICQ - 3508577:David): Sun Feb 08 10:40:37 2004
Souless: Do you want problems? I have all of your information, if you
do not make your payment, I will have you by the balls sir.
Souless: I will not stop at working with paypal, I will update my
complaints with the Fedral trade commissioner, as well as the F.C.C. to
have your ass tracked down.
Souless: I will make it my mission in life to see you suffer the
consequences. You really think you'll get away with this shit asshole?
Souless: You've got another thing comming. You idiot.
Souless: The funny part is, you are not even a GOOD scammer, you're a
complete moron.
Souless: Go ahead and continue to ignore me, you stupid piece of shit.
Ignorance is bliss right?
Souless: Well, you'll find out here soon.
David: how did u get my ip?
Souless: I would tell you, but then I'd have to kill you. haha, wtf am I talking about you're dead anyways, that's if bubba doesn't impale you with his love stick first.
David: fuck u man how did you get my ip??????my isp and shit.
Souless: It's okay I only wrote to your admin, and submitted your ip to paypal and to ebay, so whatever you thought you were being slick of, I just pimp smacked it back into its trailer. ill leave it up to them to decide your fate now fuckhead.
David: im going to email them what u said.
Souless: Go ahead, and see if i give a shit.
Session Close (David): Sun Feb 08 12:09:39 2004
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Tired of hearing how paypal owned your sorry UO playing ass

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usually I have compassion for people who get scammed or screwed.. but really I could care less for you

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72 hrs is the legal period within which funds can be reversed. This applies to Paypal, wire xfers, CC's and even money orders (yes money orders can be reversed & also can bounce).
You were the victim of a person who knew how to use the banking system in general.
If you have commercial banking accounts, cc processing etc... you get familiar with these things. The average person on the street is unaware of how these things can operate and be manipulated.
The bottom line is extend your caution to all banking processes, not just paypal (very poor system I agree), ebay etc...
In the future wait 72 hrs to xfer product no matter what method is used for payment. With CC purchases etc... I always wait 3 days unless the buyer has a track record with me ( I do not trust other "track record" systems).




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I actually read through all that, and I gotta say that fucking sucks.
I was thinking about stopping using paypal since they took like $30 for themselves out of a $600 when I sold a cpu a few months ago. It's bullshit.
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This wasn't a MISTAKE on my part AT ALL. All this information was clearly explained to me, when I finally found paypal's customer service number on their web site.

Ok... Let me get this straight:
*Guy wins auction, sends money to your e-mail via paypal.
*You bank the money and send him the product (account information) via e-mail.
*He files a fradulent claims report in Ebay saying your product was not as you said it was.
*Ebay works together with Paypal and retracts the money you were banking.
Am I correct so far?
Ok, what happens after this point? Ovbiously, the product has to be sent back to you.
Who sends the product back to you?
What you need to do is: File a fradulent claims report saying YOU DID NOT RECIEVE THE FULL PRODUCT BACK FROM THE BUYER.
Ebay has insurance up to a certain amount.
Ebay is completely biased against the seller because, essentially, the buyer is the one taking the risk.
You need to file a report saying that the buyer stole from you and did not return the full product.
Not sure there's much else you can do. Ebay's completely right when they say it's tricky because of "virutal goods".
I mean, It is possible that during the time the account was being transfered via e-mail it was hacked by a 3rd party and the Guy you sold it is telling the truth.
Obviously, that's bullshit, but the problem is: you can't proove shit. Unless you can get logs from OSI, you're best bet is to try and get something out of Ebay's seller insurance.

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snarf did that a few times, sell acc then get it back and resell it, if u want u can kill him irl for ur troubles


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After reading it...
its funny to see "David" go from confident and proud, to scared as shit. I had a run in with someone like this before selling my old Tower. I was wondering how do u get someones IP? Could be useful in case that ever happens to me again.

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Because as stipulated by origin that stuff doesn't technically belong to you, and unless you sell it through their system, you are committing fraud. You sir = fucked.
Whistler that is a lie about the cpu. They charge $.34 + 1.some percent.

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you hate fucking people because your cock is so small!
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