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These are the facts. If you dont agree then you have been unfortuneately liberlized by the media.
Bush was blamed for not stopping the 9/11 attacks because he had prior information. These same Liberals say we shouldnt be in Iraq even though he had information saying they are a threat, imminent or not. Should we preempt attack or shouldnt we if we are leaked info from our central intelligence agency?
Should we attack first or wait till another 9/11? If Bush waited for another 9/11 then he would be flamed for not stopping it or seeing it coming.
This is bullshit. He is attacking a country that has already used chemical weapons and a country i consider a threat. I dont think they are the top threat but they are a threat that is going to be made an example of. Is it smarter to start off with a smaller less significant country that you know you can take? Yes it is. You start off in Iraq setting an example for the rest of the World saying. Dont fuck with the US.
I think the biggest problem in America today isnt the terrorists, its the liberals that poison our country. terrorists die after their suicide cause. Liberals peck at your half gone leg as you sit in the sun roasting, waiting for your medivak. Liberals are the scavengers that wait for the carcus to be weak before they make there hit. We either need to conform to communism or socialism and get rid of our capitalist country, or FIGHT for our freedom and security. That means to kill those who want to inflict any harm or dismay on the US. Do i think we need to hit N. Korea straight on, No i dont think so. See this wouldnt be smart because we know they have nukes. So we will make an example of Iraq and put fear into other countries.
I vote for #2, Lets kick there ass!!!!

If someone killed my kid or my parents, I would become that monster, and much much worse. If someone killed my kid, I would make sure it took them weeks upon weeks to die. We are all animals inside.

What specifically has made you believe that Iraq is/was a direct threat to the US?
I'm curious.

You underestimate Saddam and his regime = 8 billion dollar government.
Yet we underestimated Osama Bin laden, un-organized group of men that wants to create havoc in America. = Successful
I said clearly, they are a threat, although not the biggest they are A threat. Therefor Bush made an example of there country. When you give into terrorism like our old friends in Madrid they continue to attack and realize they can use these scare tactics as a way to overthrow or persuade a government.
Sources are all biast. What you do is take in a large amount of information and make reasonable decision on how something should work. Thats why we have Democrats, Liberals, Republicans and independents. I dont think your sources are wrong, nor are mine.
I just agree with conservatives that liberals tend to sympathize with Terrorists ect.. for example Israel and palestine, majority of people in our country that Do sympathize with Palestine are liberal. Another example: Just today a woman was considered temporary insane after "Stoning" her 2 childeren to death because God told her to do it. I would have pulled the switch to the electric chair imo. This is no different then the Terrorists suicide bombing innocent people because God told them to do it. Thats a bullshit answer imo.
Also to express my opinion again. Bush made it clear with his list "The axis of Evil" and who was on it. I think it was a smart, educated decision to attack a weaker country first. To set an example and show the other larger countries that we might actually have to use some sort of diplomatic try with know we dont stand for terrorist acts (aiding or abedding them).
Basically i think we should be in Iraq to not only free the Iraqi people but also to use them as an example. Show the rest of the World that we cant be pushed around or controlled by the UN. We will stand up for ourselves and invade if necessary. And i gaurantee you this. We scared a lot of countries. hehe
Just my opinion. I apologize if i have offended anyone =-)
I mean what i say in the kindest and polite way.
Take care all

Middle Eastern country, I personally think we should go to every single one of these countries and destory all of there terror cells. Iraq had terror training camps.
My arguement on WMD is this. We go to Afganistan and we dont find Osama Bin Laden. Does that mean he doesnt exist? course not. I still believe Iraq has WmD's. They found a Foxbat which is a highly secret russian attack plane. It was buried. Do I think they have actual nuclear war heads. dont think they do. Do i think they have chemical weapons. yea definately.
Specifically what has made me believe Iraq is a direct threat to the US. Should Americans have this sort of Intelligence? Ask the CIA. Does our government lie? of course they do, howd they get into office? lol
To answer your question. Specifically i do think they are a threat to the US because we fought them in a previous war. Bush said they have WmDs. They have terror training camps. Specifically the 747 jet, laying in the sand emptied out. Which had been used for training.
I honestly think all middle eastern countries are a threat and need to be checked out. but im sure our government is on top of that with Spy jet photos.
Arioch im curious. Do you think we should attack other countries before they attack us if they are a threat? And what kind of threat should we take serious? Should we rate each threat? Didnt the CIA director say that Iraq was an Immenent threat?
Also how do we know these threats dont happen on a daily basis. I am sure 90% of the threats are fake, but how do we know? the CIA, and if the CIA says they are a threat, we should attack. thats my opinion hehe.

My view on proactive engagement (I like that term! I should trademark it) is we should "eliminate" threats. But I disagree with the imminent statements that were sold to us. Even Colon Powell is backpeddling on it (as of Friday).
I would have avoided Iraq and would have glassed the fuck out of Mogadishu and the rest of Somalia (thats terrorist central), then onto Yemen (another one), beat the fuck out of the tribal leaders in Afghanistan so they stop fucking with everyone (find the last taliban and kill them), then I would stop in at Pakistan (that unpatrolled big % of it) and clean it up. Next stop would be the Abu Syaf or whatever they're called in the South phillipenes (sp). I personally see those are much more immediate threats than Iraq.
I don't buy the "Bush said theres WMD" so it's gotta be true argument. Bush has said a lot of things (just like any politician) which are not accurate by 180 degrees. You'll notice that the "evidence" we heard about has become very quiet, due to WH lawyers advising Cheney & Bush to stop calling the shit evidence, it isn't.
Problem with what we have going on, is that we are making Iran part 2. The majority are Shia, they will win any vote (unless it's tilted), the Sunni's will be simply a minority, perhaps cause a civil war. Kurds are simply fucked as they always get fucked. End result is that Iran (Shia muslim) is controlling the strings of the Shia clerics in Iraq, they are happy as all hell, we just gave Iran another country. Thats why Iran is so quiet lately, they're laughing their asses off.
I stand by what I said elsewhere in this thread. Sadaam should have been assassinated (by the Mossad preferably), get a civil war, UN security council votes to fix it. Then the UN (remember them? thats the other 5.7 billion people on this planet...the other 95%) would deploy Pakis and other muslim blue helmets at donor costs to fix it up. Flood the place with CIA under the guise of reparations, UN, whatever and flush out / cap any cells.
But I disagree with the Iraq was an imminent threat argument. They were caged up quite well.
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Ari, this is what i perceive to be the largest problem out of all of this. The Iranians are SO muchm ore crazy and fanatic than the IRaqis are. At least with Saddam in charge the US could bully him around without a problem. Now the world has to worry about either a new fanatic state that will emerge, OR worse yet, the invasion of a weakened Iraq by Iran, all in the name of God.
Iran controlling 60% ofthe globes oil scares the piss outta me more than Saddam ever could.

But then again, can you even begin to imagine fucking with a burning body and then jumping around it like some kind of trophy. I know that I would get payback on anyone that fucked with my family too, but setting them ablaze and dragging their corpse around the street really didn?t come to mind.
These people take their anger out on anyone and everyone they can. I bet 90% of the people in that picture didn't even lose someone to this war. It's just fucking sickening that anyone could act that way.

On a side note, they don't even deserve our help. Fuck whatever reason we went in; just get out now because in all reality i couldn't care less about the general populous of that country anymore.

I dont see Iran possibly ever invading Iraq. It just would not happen. They'd get owned in a matter of days just like Iraq did when they invaded Kuwait.

They don't need to invade, the local Shi'ites are the same as the shi'ites in Iran. They already have major influence.
No need to peen wave, they won't make themselves a target. They'll simply userp it.