Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion Disrespecting our soldiers and Pat Tillman.

Too much pointing fingers going on by both parties... The whole idea of being partisen is retarded in my book. I just label myself conservative because in general, I agree with thier positions more often.

Yaya. I totally agree, the divide between the parties has become quite expansive. What am I if i lean more towards being a conservative economically yet liberal socially?

Wow, what a statement. USA ALL THE WAY .. HEADSTRONG I CANT BE WONG .. FUCK YOU YOUR WRONG I AM AMERICAN AND YOUR WRONG !!!

Your organized attack and the depth of your argument elude the point as to why you went to war. Remember this war began not as FREEING PEOPLE but PROTECTING the USA from terrorists.
So you invade and dispose of 2 leaders or goverments, kill 1000's of their people and decalre victory. Now the goverment keeps stating they are in it to free the people .... well why did you go ? North Korea and Pakistan pose greater WMD threats to the United States than Iraq for several reasons. Each possesses a much bigger WMD arsenal. Pakistan has several dozen nuclear warheads along with missiles and planes capable of delivering them hundreds of miles away; it is also suspected of having chemical weapons. North Korea is thought to possess sufficient plutonium to produce one to two nuclear devices along with the capacity to manufacture several more; it also has a large chemical weapons stockpile and a formidable array of ballistic missiles.
Iraq, by contrast, possessed no nuclear weapons and is now knowen to be several years away fromever being able produce any, even under the best of circumstances. So are you going to invade any country that can produce nukes ?
How can the Iraq's have freedom with American Soilders in their country telling them how they are going to run it : The name of peace is sweet, and the thing itself is beneficial, but there is a great difference between peace and servitude. Peace is freedom in tranquillity, servitude is the worst of all evils, to be resisted not only by war, but even by death.
Cicero (106 BC - 43 BC).
Lets remember great Americans who stated they Iraqi's should be able to do as they please, create the country they want since :
Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population.
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
Or how America has changed from her forefathers views on what her role is and new leaders
OLD : America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
John Quincy Adams (1767 - 1848)
And New leaders, LORD BUSH telling the world America is going to free everyone weather they want it or not since it is now GODS will , well fuck that shit :
Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world; it is God's gift to humanity.
George W. Bush, State of the Union address 2003
BRING IT with your bla bla bla posts ..... I don't care how many FUCKS you put in a post wont change my mind.

Im white , I am Irish and I had posted a gay picture of mysel on thr fourms, glad I wasn't photoshopped like mad. I will admit this, and I might as well ... I am a " lefty socialist " . I am not a free love hippie freak, but I think in regards to people , well best way is leave them to their own devices. We have ours , meaning laws and countrys. And people all around the world want to come to Canada and the USA for better lives. But one cannot force freedom to other people in other countrys. It must be taken, must be collectively earned by the masses and not placed in my machines of war. I feel that unless other countrys can fight [ IE Cvil Wars and Revolutions ] themeselves for their rights , then they truly will not have their own heros and reasons to continue down the path. Its like a Muslims imposing their will on a town in the southern states to do as they do. Sure you wiill obey if faced with guns and powerful forces, But you will resent this set in place goverment and laws and when the time is right probably rebel. The largest mistake I think is beleiving ALL Iraqi's or Muslims want a free demcractic state in the middleeast. I know many do, probably more then those who do not. But unless THOSE WHO WANT IT fight for it amongst themsevles it will forever be branded as given rather then earned and will in the end be looked at as a foreign tool to control the middleeast rather then free it.
That is why I do not support the war. Damm I love freedom and I am marrying a fucken American, I am not a psycho but I admit my views are probably WAY left from most of yours. I never intend to disrepect any US soilder for going to war, but it is true they can be brainwashed as posted on this forum to think that the war is ALL GOOD , and not bad at all and for the good of all mankind. No, it was done for the good of the US only. So I think.

I didn't read a word of your stupid bullshit, but I know you're a fucking idiot and so does everyone else here. No matter how many times you try to elude to the fact that you're not a moron, it won't change my mind. You should be ashamed of yourself you embarras yourself and your family by just being alive.

Afghanistan is now run by some Taliban leaders and a whole slew of Warlords that are PAIDED by the US to keep peace. But the poppy trade is back in full force and really the US is no closer to getting Bin Laden then they were in the first place. Any improvements at all remain in the main cities, and once the money runs out and the soilders leave the country will go back to its warring ways until one group wins. Who that will be largely depends on who the US equips the most, but not always.
I will say that at least the starts of schools and freedoms for women will maybe create a climate that will enable another generation to think about some small freedoms, but change takes years and years and those who do not want change are sitll mostly in power.

Quit talking about yourself sir, take some self-love classes.

Torak has a short fuse, and didn't want to take time to type out his frustration. His point was that you are a fucking idiot if you think the US is in Iraq with sinister intentions.

I dont see what your point is? At the time, we had EVERY reason to believe that Saddam had weapons. Now we know he didn't, but we already took out their whole currupt ass government, and we can't just leave them hanging, or one of two things will happen, both bad.
Some new dicklip takes Saddam's place or Civil War breaks out.

With new information, motives change. Sure, we went in there to eliminate a threat, but we have a responsibility now.

Do either of them have a record of using them? Or trying to take over other peoples land? I know its an exaggeration, but Charles Manson is more of a threat with a butter knife than Mother Theresa is with a nuke.

Man, you are brainwashed... Hindsight is 20/20 man, given the evidence we had at the time, even the liberal leaders now critisizing us thought it was prudent for us to take out Saddam.

Every government needs a foundation. And we are helping them set it. If we just upped and left, the peoples wishes WOULD NOT be met. Whoever had the most money and weapons would rule.

It isn't even the Iraqis who are resisting us, or being intollerant. It is Al Queda, Hamas, and other imports who don't want to see a successfull democratic Iraq. They know it threatens thier power, and gives a taste of freedom to the whole region.

haha, that quote is fine and dandy when the only form of over seas travel was sail boat, and the most devistating weapon known to man was a cannon ball. Times change, and while John Quincy Adams was a brilliant man, he didn't live in the 21st century.

Replace god's will with Basic Human Right. I hate how people try to use Bush's compassion and faith against him. I dont care WHY, but everybody does deserve freedom.

I COMPLETELY agree, like I said, replace god's gift to humanity with "Everyones basic human right". Same speech still applies.

Thats because you've already gobbled up too much of that propaganda the canadian media spits all day and all night.

Isn't that why Hans Blix and the UN inspectors were inside Iraq for that time to check for weapons. And I know that you could not 100% for sure prove that they had them but Iraq could barely shoot scud missles into Isreal let alone strike the US. As for sneaking in nuke well 100's of countrys and groups not countrys can buy them and sneak them inside the USA.
And as for evil leaders, well there are 100 more all around the world, whos next ?

Well yes, North Korea invaded South Korea and has been holding the US and other Asian nations semi-hostage now and BEFORE the Iraqi war for food and money support as demands for not making nukes, or more nukes if they do indeed have them Pakistan and India are probably the 2 nations besides any in the middleeast that are most likely to goto war with each other that are nuclear capable. Scary there.

So now with this move any nation can without any REAL proof invade and force their will on others IE China on Taiwain and claim well hindsight is 20/20 but now that we are there its our way or no way.


And your going to give it to them all regardless, and in the meantime kill 1000's of them And just to ask you, don't you think the US Admin would have forseen this happening ? We are going to try to install a democractic goverment in the miiddleast and its going to go all peachy. Forsight is 20/20 ?
I sir watch the BBC , CNN , ABC , CBC and more. And yes I admit unlike most that I do swing to the left and take what I want from the news. But so do you, and no one is right or wrong in this forum ... but all you need to do is think this is like another modern crusade. Forcing Xian vaules and beleifs which is what Canada and the US were and are mostly founded on to a people mostly Muslim with different vaules who might not want your world of McDonalds and Corporations and dictated mostlyby the US economic machine. Maybe they don't want starbucks.

What a joke, the inspectors were told where they could and couldn't search. That is one of the reasons we thought he had WMDs. Obviously we cant cover EVERY base, but we sure as hell can try. We have limited resources and as such we have to choose our battles. We choose Iraq now. Next? Maybe north Korea, maybe Pakistan? I can't see the future, but I can promise you that whoever gets it, will deserve it just like Saddam did.

There were MANDATES by the UN forcing Iraq to allow inspections, and they were breaking them. I'm pretty sure Canadian courts use the concepts of "Probable Cause" and "Reasonable Doubt". Like I said, all the signs pointed to yes, and we had probable cause to check it out. You are really pushing it trying to compare to China/Tawian.

Freedom isn't easy Muj. Thousands of americans died for our freedom, and I'd say it was worth it. We wouldn't be able to be arguing this right now if it wasn't for sacrifice of our forfathers.

What in the world does starbucks have to do with anything. We are trying to set up a means for the PEOPLE of Iraq to CHOOSE if they wan't a starbucks or not. Rather than letting some dictator choose for them.