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The lives we have lost were not in vane. I am hoping us occupying Iraq and making them a democracy will make other middle eastern countries want to become free as well. I do agree that our troops are fighting a very hard enemy right now, they dont know who the enemy are. The enemy could be anyone at any given time. I do think two good things will come out of this war in Iraq.
1. Iraq is an example for the rest of the middle eastern countries basically telling them we dont phuck around.
2. If this change over happens and works, and Iraq starts to flourish as a democracy then I think it will have a positive influence on the rest of the middle east. I also think then the US will get the respect that we deserve from the foreign community. <---- This is a big iffy
(The next morning)
I need to create 2 logins, [LoD]FLea and [LoD]DrunkFLea.
Cause really sometimes i wake up the next morning and wonder what the fuck im talking about rofl.

We feed, protect, and aid every country practically thats in need. What happens when the U.S sits back and does nothing? wwII clearly shows what happens. As I said were the worlds babysitter. Every country that needs help, food, and aid supplies we give and recieve nothing. Not even a thanks.
Good example France and Germany. Where would both those countries be if it wasn't for the U.S saving their asses in wwII. Russia would have fucked Germany entirely if we did not keep them from West Germany. Yet we go into Iraq to practically do the same thing that we did for them. They don't help one bit. They lost their money do to Iraq. That's all that matters no? It doesn't matter that their existance is because of the U.S though.

[quotewe could invade anyone, we can peacefully and successfully occupy very few (of importance).
I am quite certain the best way to farm a monthly fee off of the masses is to appeal to their greed and vanity[/quote]
Inccorect, unless u mean we can actually put men in thier country. But we could not win over everyone.
Wed be CRUSHED trying to invade China.
Nuclear war maybe.
Invasion wed be utterly crushed.

In the past the Saudi Arabia has been a safe haven for terrorists and there is significant evidence to show that they have actually supported terrorists included Al Queda and Osama Bin Laden. Both Bush and Clinton have conveniently ignored this fact. Reality is they are more of a threat to us than Iraq ever was, but due to the many many financial interests that large US corps have in Saudi Arabia (including the Bush family) they have always been seen as beyond reproach. I expect you may see something close to a civil war in SA sometime soon. Things are only going to get worse
Here are a few choice quotes from a timeline I found. If you want the entire timeline check out
1996 (C): The Saudi Arabian government starts paying huge amounts of money to al-Qaeda, becoming its largest financial backer. It also gives money to other extremist groups throughout Asia. This money vastly increases the capability of al-Qaeda. [New Yorker, 10/16/01] Saudis agree to continue sponsoring bin Laden's network (see also May 1996 and July 1998). Says one US official, "'96 is the key year... Bin Laden hooked up to all the bad guys - it's like the Grand Alliance - and had a capability for conducting large-scale operations." The Saudi regime, he says, had "gone to the dark side." Electronic intercepts by the NSA "depict a regime increasingly corrupt, alienated from the country's religious rank and file, and so weakened and frightened that it has brokered its future by channeling hundreds of millions of dollars in what amounts to protection money to fundamentalist groups that wish to overthrow it." US officials later privately complain "that the Bush Administration, like the Clinton Administration, is refusing to confront this reality, even in the aftermath of the September 11th terrorist attacks." [New Yorker, 10/16/01]
May 1996: Reporter Greg Palast later claims that there is a meeting of Saudi billionaires at the Hotel Royale Monceau in Paris this month with the financial representative of al-Qaeda. "The Saudis, including a key Saudi prince joined by Muslim and non-Muslim gun traffickers, [meet] to determine who would pay how much to Osama. This [is] not so much an act of support but of protection -- a payoff to keep the mad bomber away from Saudi Arabia" (see also 1996 (C)). [Best Democracy Money Can Buy, by Greg Palast, 2/03] The 9/11 victims' relatives also site a "nonpublished French intelligence report" of this meeting in their lawsuit against important Saudis. [Minneapolis Star-Tribune, 8/16/02] Palast claims that the Saudi Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh attends the meeting. Bakhsh also saved Bush Jr.'s Harken Oil from bankruptcy around 1990. The notorious Saudi billionaire Adnan Khashoggi also attends the meeting. [Santa Fe New Mexican, 3/20/03, Democracy Now, 3/4/03] In a somewhat tongue-in-cheek manner, Slate has claimed that Khashoggi is a "shadowy international arms merchant" who is "connected to every scandal of the past 40 years." Amongst other things, he was a major investor in BCCI and a key player in the Iran-Contra affair. [Slate, 12/4/00, Slate, 11/14/01, Slate, 3/12/03] Saudi billionaire Khalid bin Mahfouz also apparently attends the meeting (though it could be a later meeting with Khashoggi in 1998). [Business Post, 10/7/01] Palast, noting that the French monitored the meeting, asks, "Since US intelligence was thus likely informed, the question becomes why didn't the government immediately move against the Saudis?" [Best Democracy Money Can Buy, by Greg Palast, 2/03] An apparent follow-up meeting occurs in 1998 (see July 1998).
By the way...did any of you know that GW's business partner in Harken energy was Osama's brother.
1988: Bin Laden forms al-Qaeda this year (some reports claim 1989). [Forbes, 10/18/01]
1988:?Prior to this year, George Bush Jr. is a failed oil man. Three times friends and investors have bailed him out to keep him from going bankrupt. But in this year, the same year his father becomes President, some Saudis buy a portion of his small company, Harken, which has never worked outside of Texas.?Later in the year, Harken wins a contract in the Persian Gulf and starts doing well financially.?These transactions seem so suspicious that the Wall Street Journal in 1991 states it "raises the question of ... an effort to cozy up to a presidential son."?Two major investors in Bush's company during this time are Salem bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's oldest brother, and Khaled bin Mahfouz. [Salon, 11/19/01, Intelligence Newsletter, 3/2/00] Khaled bin Mahfouz is a Saudi banker with a 20% stake in BCCI, a bank that will go bankrupt a few years later in the biggest corruption scandal in banking history (see July 5, 1991).?In 1999 bin Mahfouz will be placed under house arrest in Saudi Arabia for contributions he gave to welfare organizations closely linked to bin Laden (see April 1999). Bin Mahfouz's sister is married to Osama bin Laden (see also August 13, 1996, Early December 2001 (B), December 4, 2001 (B), and August 15, 2002 and November 26, 2002). [Washington Post, 2/17/02] In late 2002, Ron Motley, the lead lawyer in a 9/11 Saudi suit (see August 15, 2002), threatens that Bush, now President, "may find himself being deposed" in court for these financial ties to bin Mahfouz. [Minneapolis Star Tribune, 8/16/02]

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I only call it how I see it, but I state again, I never call for, approve of nor advocate in any way the death of americans, canadians or any western people. I just don't wanna call for killing of all sand (#*($#ers ethier.

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Do tell me, how many countries have you invaded and won in the last 30 years that were not Panama [ sorry Poland could have won that 1 ] , Iraq [ Umm 10 years of sanctions, bombings and already beat up army from the Desert Storm .. oo so powerful ] , Afghanistan [ mean yes, but you killed splitered cells, still deadly and way more screwed up in terms on war ... not like fighting a country more like armed sheep herders ] . ? Do tell. My point is, yes you can invade, attack. But overall I think if you tried to occupy any foriegn country, say even like Syria's stregth you would get a good fight, losta death, and well when you occupied for long time, many deaths. Iraq has at least a certain amount of people who want the US in there, try a country that has 0%.

USA saved Germany and France and Brittain ? Sure they did, along with Canada. But what about all the overthrowen goverments the US has done ... lets use Pinochet as an example. Golly good !

Did I say I don't care if we get a thanks or not? The point I was making it doesn't matter who we help(this did not just mean feeding either...). They don't give a shit if we help or not. They'll continue using us just because of what we represent. If you think I was whining about it you're obviously wrong. Don't know why you even made that comment pretty pointless.
As for the Germans of course that was one of the reasons but we still saved their existance. I don't care if that was our intention or not really it still happened that way which is all that mattered in the point I made. They probably would not exist today if it weren't because of us.
You say all we do is do shit for ourselves? That's not true. We went to wwI because we would benefit from it right? Better yet we liberated Kuwait for self gain too? We go into 3rd world countries to feed them spending millions of dollars too for our benefit. I could probably name a million things. But yet a few things we have done for ourselves means we do that 100% of the time eh?
We do things that the world benefits from, not just for us. Like I said we protect, feed, help, and aid every country that needs it practically. Feeding and liberating someone obviously isn't doing it for selfish needs.
"well we feed countries because we easily easily can. We've destroyed and manipulated all the international markets for staple crops like wheat and grain, etc."
Who cares? That just helps us more. It's not our fault someone else didn't do it first? Every other country practically had centuries to do it. We do it during the 200 years we've been around? Canada/South America has untapped resources same as we do on these two continents why aren't they on top?