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You're the only self described "conservative" here who has said anything about the difference between those that "can help themselves but won't" and those that "are unable due to circumstances".
The statement was not directed towards you, as you are able to make that kind of differentiation. You've shown a "liberal" view there on one or more areas (quick run!!!!! Jobu has some Liberal in him!!! He may even be against slavery!!!! OH NO!!!!).
You are just jumping to paranoid conclusions that I was stating you as a subject of that post, you were flattering yourself.
Please stop that, it's unsightly <img src="/~stretch/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Are you fuqing kidding me? Israel is in the heartland of Hate! They are surrounded by people who want to strap bombs to men, women and childrens back to kill INNOCENT lives. Here is a fact, 82% of israelis killed by palestinians are noncombatants and 17% of palestinians killed by israeli fire is noncombatant. I just recently studied that, those statistics are 3 years old. They are having trouble helping themselves, the only good example i could give is this. America is the #1 supporter in Aide, moneys and foreign help when its needed ANYWHERE. Yet the majority of the World hates us right Mujahedeen? You think if Isreal gives anything they will lub them more?
Now the number of palestinians killed is that higher of the number of Israelis but none the less, the percentage is definately clear who is trying to kill in #s and what side has tooken unfortuneate collateral damage.
I know the Red Crescent and Red cross are somewhat related, but keep it clear that the Red Crescent has been caught on several occasions sneaking in suicide palestinian bombers into Israel through ambulances. I also know that the red crescent has helped numerous people and children financially, with aide, medicine ect.. Now its hard to judge and organization by what they have done both good and bad. I am unsure how i feel about red cross/ red crescent. I am unsure of the connection between the red cross and the red crescent as well.
Any palestinian that sympathizes with hamas or any other palestinian that performs a suicide attack are Terrorist. Thats no generalization.

most conservatives are like me. So I stood up for them too.
Once again your assumptions are the only things unsightly here.
Mass generalizations about how the conservatives want to kill old people and the blind is pretty stupid don't you think? Nobody believes that shit. Not even when it's said with some sarcasm to disguise the hatred behind it.
America is considered a liberal democracy. Just about everybody is in favor of adapting with the times. Don't even bother bringing up other, more liberal* countries. I said liberal democracy not socialist.
Our conservatives are not opposed to change, they are in favor of change when it's needed. They are in favor of preserving what works and only fixing what is broken.
On the other hand the liberals are trying to play social experiments and just tearing everything down. Irresponsible change. Like a child rebelling against his parents.
* The modern day liberals, as the word is regarded worldwide, are more of a socialist group. They don't have much in common with the liberals of the past who were more of the McCain type. In this country, this is especially true after Vietnam when the "liberals" suddenly took up the position that communism isn't so bad. They pretty much hijacked the word.

"shielding Islamic Jihad and Hamas members"
did you not understand?
Work on your reading comprehension.

Once someone's hands are dirty, they should be judged as dirty. It's a hard pill to swallow in the real world though.

What is , your stats.
if you were to take into effect every Israel citizen is trained in the army, just WHO is a non-combatant at which part of their life. That stated, the Israeli goverment has tanks and jets and high tech weaponary. So yeah, lets throw stones at tanks to make a point? I hate the bombers, but given that is really the only effective attack the palestinians have they use it.
Ever seen how many live in ghettos, or have been displaced in the past 20 years ? Or about missle strikes trying to kill leaders killing innocent people. Hummm MISSLE vs BOMB. Both kill innocents. When the Jewish state does it, they are fighting terrorism, when the Palistaine state does it THEY are terrorists ?

What do they consider combatants? That is the problem with statistics like that, for all we know the "combatants" could be any male ages 16-50.

Your absolutely wrong. Bombers target cafe's grocery stores, during jewish holidays, weddings, crowded buses and events. They rarely attack Jewish armed guards, supplies or any military for that matter. Palestinian bombers look for crowded areas to set off bombs to kill innoncent men, WOMEN and CHILDREN.
I will say this, if the palestinians put down there weapons, bombs and say they will no longer attack. There would be absolutely no bloodshed. The solution lies within the palestinians not the defenders (Israelis).
Now the land currently belongs to Israel. I do realize this is a disputeable arguement. But as far as bloodshed and killing is concerned, that lies within the lap of the Palestinians. It could stop any time.

http://www.bridgesforpeace.com/publications/dispatch/peacewatch/Article-0.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/7/30/91308.shtml
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Terrorized_By_Numbers.asp
I know these articles will probably be discredited but I randomly picked the first 3 off a google search. Not much thinking involved in my findings. hehe
My professor showed us those statistics last quarter. I am 99% positive those number are accurate that I listed above. Although I do not know where he got his sources.

So Israel missles kiling innocents is find ? They didn't mean to kill innocents, while the bombers I know do, but no difference.