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thats the sickness of it.
We view an F-117a or an Abrahms as a "civilized" war machine. We assume they should then use tanks and planes too. They don't have them, they improvise and use people as human bombs.
What I find more horrifying than the 15,000 tons of VX in Tikrit that Rumsfeld guaranteed is there, the personalyl guaranteed nuclear bomb factory that Bush said was there, and worse than the connection between 9/11 and Iraq that Cheney gave us .... is the possibility of our new enemy using the same human bomb tactic on our soil, in malls, on thanksgiving or any other venue where they can disrupt everything.




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You speak as if Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush just made that shit up.
That's what they were told by our intelligence agencies. You know, the same people who told Clinton that the aspirin factory was a chemical weapons plant.
Stop spreading bullshit, hippy-lover. (just for you)


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Don't forget the "Baby Milk Factory".
Rummy sat there and said that with 100% certainty, he absolutely knew there was 15,000 ton of VX in the Sunni triangle.
I watched it live.
If he tells johnny public this kind of shit, then he better be held accountable for it. Otherwise welcome to a way out for any politician (any party). Any politician can interpret anything anyway they want, and then say it was the "intel agency".
That would lead to a horrible situation.
Sorry, but he and the rest of em need to be held accountable for what they've said and done. History will look on them poorly, and us for not holding them responsible.
I don't care what party they are from, anyone saying that kind of thing needs to be held accountable for it. I'ld put that kind of thing in the "treason" catagory.
Cuz he said that, 15,000+ people so far have died on both sides, 200+ billion dollars were spent on an easter egg hunt in a shithole in the mideast...with no eggs to find. His own party is questioning him, at least the ones thinking for themselves have smarts.
My basic concern still stands, and I'm 100% certain you agree with me. One day, some jihadic asshole will wobble into a WalMart, or packed mall at XMas and do the human bomb thing.




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you speak as if the WMD's was the only reason given for the war.
Go back and read Bush's case for war. It was made before the entire world at the UN on Sept. 12, 2002.
Here's a link for you:
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/rm/13434.htm
Here's a small snippet:
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If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all support for terrorism and act to suppress it, as all states are required to do by U.N. Security Council resolutions.
If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will cease persecution of its civilian population, including Shi'a, Sunnis, Kurds, Turkomans, and others, again as required by Security Council resolutions.
If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will release or account for all Gulf War personnel whose fate is still unknown. It will return the remains of any who are deceased, return stolen property, accept liability for losses resulting from the invasion of Kuwait, and fully cooperate with international efforts to resolve these issues, as required by Security Council resolutions.
If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all illicit trade outside the oil-for-food program. It will accept U.N. administration of funds from that program, to ensure that the money is used fairly and promptly for the benefit of the Iraqi people.

And once again, Rummy and Co. did not make that shit up. It is what they were told. That is far from treason. Was it treason when Clinton bombed the aspirin factory? The intel was wrong, nothing more.
Nobody but the extreme left, of which you are a member, believes the bullshit.
You know what is close to treason? John Kerry meeting with the VC in Paris and campaigning for their 7 Point Peace Plan when he came back to the USA.


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is the key word here Sherlock.
Now run along and play nice with the other uninformed children. <img src="/~stretch/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I wish I was selling you a lush tropical paradise 5 acre parcel in Arizona, you'ld buy that shit without thinking twice, only 250k an acre. As long as I said "big boy and company never did anything wrong...just sign here...", you'ld be on that shit.
You would have made a perfect communist, you believe anything told to you by your owners. You question nothing, you are the perfect sheep.




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I smack you around with facts and quotes and all you can do is make some weak insult?
Run along amateur.
Come back when you can hang with someone who actually knows what he's talking about and can back it up.
So far you've only given opinions and generalisations with nothing to base them on but your own imagination.
Anyone who can read, can see that the case for war was more than just WMD's. Anyone who can read can see from the 9/11 report that the intel was flawed. Anyone who can read can see that our intel has been flawed for many years, there were many examples during the Clinton admin. The Chinese embassy bombing anyone?
Keep believing your conspiracy theories. I think the bong residue got into your brain.


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you learn that in conservatives 101?
quotes....ooooohhhhhh......there's lots of quotes out there...pick one ya like.
facts.....facts mean nothing now. Facts have become a pliable device for politicians.
The case for war as presented to the UN was regarding imminent threat to the USA of WMD's that were in existance in Iraq.
I don't give a fuck about domestic spin jobs and deliberately open innuendo's that can be used in the future for damage control. I'm not that stupid, the sheep fall for that.
You think you are so self professed l33t it's absolutely hilarious.
Carry on sheep.




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That's what they were told by our intelligence agencies. You know, the same people who told Clinton that the aspirin factory was a chemical weapons plant.


True, and I was just as mad when 10,000 people died due to lack of pharm's for animals. Since it supplied the pharms for both human and mammals there.
But sorry , 100% guarantee on WMD means 100% , and goverments [ Ever seen 1 document on the WMD from any goverment ... no course not ] , backing each others shit up verbally is nothing. Like You saying , Yeah I seen Sir Fetus kill a whole party of R5's on his own.
** I am not in any way linking to you to Fetus ** !!!!


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I gave you the exact quotes from the President's speech. You are denying that there were more reasons given for the war than just WMD's when I just showed them to you and gave you the transcript?
Apparently, facts really don't mean anything to you. Your imagination is all you need.
What a dumbass. I thought you were supposed to be some kinda smart guy?


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