Again, you're still trying to argue with a persons opinion....

Of course there's shit ton of aspects for MMO's but guess what, here the one and only aspect to look for in a game is PvP. Have you ever heard one time in this entire forums existence someone say they like some game because of the player run economy? Or the PvE? No! you know why? Because no one really gives a shit unless it betters them in PvP.

You're like a damn salesman trying to create a problem that isn't there because it's your only solution. If someone only cares about PvP, and you try to talk about the "overall" game no ones gonna listen to you. And it's probably why you can't understand why people play DF. You want a great overall game, everyone else wants a great PvP game. And of course I know you're thinking "well DF isn't even good at that", again only your opinion but name an MMO out right now that has better PvP.

And for your argument of if they only want to PvP just play an FPS to get the same result. Lemme ask you this; have you ever felt a kill as gratifying of a kill in Shadowbane when you played an FPS? Me personally, nope. Sure a no-scope headshot through 2 guys from across the map has some instant gratification. But when you're in an MMO pvping and you just went against the odds and win, it's a lot more gratifying and definitely stays with you longer. When someone asks about your PvP experience do you tell'em about how great you are in CS? Or the badass battles you had in Shadowbane? Or how you would get "the shakes" from PvP in UO....


I'm constipated.... I couldn't give a shit.