Hexen]Libertarianism seems to resonate the most with military people in this country. I suppose it's a bit of a leftover 19th century ethos.
The problem with the video is this "when all else fails" concept. A cop wrongfully arresting a guy is, at least on paper, something we thought about already. The reason you don't have the legal right to violently resist cops over your personal perception of injustice is because you have a right to due process after he arrests you, and opinions, particularly legal ones, are like assholes. I'm not meaning to suggest it always works out that way, or even that the public is consciously consenting to the expansion of federal powers to the degree people who view this as a non-issue think. Everyone can point to the law they don't like, or the corrupt cop, or even argue that both of these are systemic problems. But framing individual resistance as some kind of civil uprising against tyranny is jumping the gun on a shitstorm almost nobody really wants if you ask them directly. Moreover, if the "sheep" as he so affectionately calls them, consciously or unconsciously approve, then who the fuck is he to complain?
I disagree with the premise, but I appreciate the sentiment. Our modern government flirts with civil liberties curtailments on occasion that look outright pre-Roman to me. The problem is our government always did that, hell I can think of ten occasions off the top of my head that were way worse than now.
lol. This thread went to new places since I last visited. This is pretty much exactly how I feel about that video. Especially this: "I disagree with the premise, but I appreciate the sentiment."
That video is pure retard and as Hexen pointed out, when the basis of your argument is what's displayed in that video, you've already lost. He's drawing an identical parallel between fascist regime's (Hitler, Stalin, etc) and US law enforcement. They're not the same at all because as Hexen pointed out, if you're wrongfully arrested here, you have the right to due process, even to the point of filing a civil suit against the government and seeking monetary relief. How can you compare that to what happened to the Jews or things like the Ugandan genocide? There's no parallel to be had there.
I strongly value our civil liberties which is why I am all for the appeals court ruling I listed in the OP. Regardless of my views on gun control, I am happy to see the judiciary branch of the government taking an active role to keep the legislative branch in check.
The entire point of our system of government is checks and balances. Unfortunately, when you're dealing with a country as large as the US with so many cultural, socio-economic, racial, etc divisions, nothing will get done quickly. A law may be passed that is against the constitution. Getting it overturned can take a long time. At least the mechanisms to do so are in place. Just look at civil rights. Not that many decades ago, black people could be lynched because....well...just because.
In any event, I have to say I wouldn't want anyone that thought that video was an accurate narrative of how things are in this country to be carrying a gun around. As Rolo and I discussed in coms after I made this post, responsible weapon owners know that drawing and firing a weapon at a human being in a public place comes with a shit storm. You WILL be taken into custody and most likely charged with homocide or attempted homocide, even if you are eventually cleared by the defense of self-defense. Similarly, anyone that has a police officer draw down on them (even in their own home) should not resist and should fight that battle in court. If for no other reason than common sense. You WILL lose a gunfight with an entire police force. If you don't have enough common sense to know that, you probably shouldn't own a gun period.
