Fly, I am going to try and break down your last post piece by piece to give you an idea of how this all looks from outside your head.
Mofo Fly]No.. overpopulation is a false argument used solely to get control over people.
No, it's not. It's a very real an eventual certainty, just like the fact that the sun will some day explode into a supernova and kill every single living thing in this solar system. I am not going to bother to debate this with you anymore because your brain doesn't seem to function on a rational level.
Mofo Fly]
Those that make the argument for it are almost always, always, those 'elitist' - top 5% pc - the guys that got into a Harvard & are better than YOU because of it. etc.
Do you not wonder why its the originators for this argument are ALWAYS at the 'top of the social ladder' ? (& this is at no matter what time frame you put this in.. today right now with china.. to hitler/stalin in the 1940s.. to again the romans using it against their people over 2000 years ago.. etc.)
This is also wrong for a number of reasons I won't bother to address because again, it's a waste of time for the same reasons stated above. See Firax's last post. It pretty much sums up my feelings on trying to convince you of anything using logic and reason.
Mofo Fly]
I mean stop & think about it for a moment Vermi.. I mean you are not an 'originator' for this argument.. you are someone following someone else's lead on the matter because you perceive them as someone that you could follow. You know what.. that's fine & I understand that.. why shouldn't you be able to take another 'obviously' intelligent human being's argument?
This isn't entirely accurate. Intelligent, free thinking people tend to use a pretty systematic approach to understanding issues. If I read some Harvard scientists theories that didn't jive with my understanding of science, I would not believe it simply because he's a Harvard scientist. Then again, he wouldn't be an Ivy League level academic if he didn't use well established scientific and mathematical principles as the foundation of his theories.
Mofo Fly]
Well let me tell you why.. the thing is that you have to stop & really look at people like that man. What is their fucking agenda? Who is paying their bills? Are they at the top of the social ladder & wish to maintain it? Are they trying to get to the top of the social ladder by playing the games with the people at already the top trying to stay at the top? etc. etc. etc.
A fast, easy example for this, outside of our current subject, is just look at your current King of Brit - guy said one thing.. did another.. etc. Some people are true believers of him & while others.. well you get the idea.
Tin Foil Hat nonsense.
Mofo Fly]
So again, just stopping to take a look at your references, every single one of the experts had a different set of numbers, data, etc. to make their argument. Now, that is understandable because a guy from 1970 is going to have a different viewpoint from the guy in 1992 who is going to have a different viewpoint from the girl in 2011 etc. etc. Thing is though, they all have this same message & use whatever facts for their time period they need to make you believe it.
Their message;
'Overpopulation will happen at 'x' number of humans, at around 'x' date in time, & for 'x' reason(s) is why it all will fail'
Followed with;
'The only solution to this problem is to hit the 2.0 fertility rate or the 0.0 reproduction rate' (its the same number just worded differently)
Do you not stop & think to yourself.. How come this bitch from 2011 is telling me I have to kill my babies (you only get 1) but she very likely has several kids? Again, for an example, the Kennedy's are going to support the overpopulation concept & tell you the same thing.. you kill your baby.. but do you think they are going to kill theirs too?
Follow the ball now... they teach their kids dynastic thinking.. you try the best with your 1 kid.. when you are gone & its just your kid vs their 3 kids.. who won?
You already said all this. Repeating the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it true Fly. See Firax's earlier posts. Nobody is telling you to kill your babies. Where are you even getting this from?
If we were playing the drinking game, I'd say DRINK! But we're not. Too bad....
Also, it's not surprising that the numbers will be different. A study is only as good as the level of scientific knowledge that exists at the time the study is taking place. That's why trying to predict what the maximum population threshold is, is really mostly educated guess work. Predicting what you think will happen based on what you know right now. That doesn't mean it's wrong. It simply means it is imprecise and the articles I linked you pretty much say exactly that.
Mofo Fly]
Now check out the history on this shit man.. its the same thing over & over & over again with no fucking baisis.
Hitler says its the Jew's fault that the Germans are suffering.. have no food, water, money, jobs, etc. & that they should kill the Jews.
Harvard psychopath (extremely intelligent psychopath) says its over populations fault that the people are suffering.. have no food, water, money, jobs, etc. & that they should kill off future generations.
What are you even talking about? You do realize you just compared Hitler to a made-up Harvard psychopath that's telling people to kill people. That's neither relevant nor useful and it does nothing to further your argument. This is the kind of shit I am talking about when I say your posts don't sound mentally stable.
Mofo Fly]
Again, do you not think the Romans didn't use this against their people over 2000 years ago? Hell yes they did.. only it was different numbers/facts for the time - 'we can only support '100000' people in this city' or whatever the figures needed to be to make the argument fit for that time period.
Use what, exactly? Are you saying that Romans used the theory of overpopulation to try and "control" their citizens? What historical evidence do you have to support this idea? What exactly were they trying to control?
Mofo Fly]
- its all the same.. guys at the 'top' who want to stay at the top making sure that everyone else stays below them.
More tinfoil hat stuff.
Mofo Fly]
I think I might be opening your eyes a bit here if you are actually reading.
Not in the least man. The more I engage in this debate, the more I wish I never had to begin with because all bullshit aside and coming from a place of being your online bro and actually liking you on a personal level, the path that we're going down here is actually kind of freaking me out a bit because I feel like you're Russel Crow in A Beautiful Mind and you're having one of your episodes.
Mofo Fly]
Just a recap;
Every 'expert' on the subject is a top 5% elitist shit head & wants to stay that way
Every 'expert' makes the same argument but changes the facts & figures around so that it fits his time period
Every 'expert' DOES NOT abide by their 'only solution' to the problem but they certainly want/make you follow it.
This process is repeated over & over & over & over again through out all of man's history.
More tin foil hat stuff supported by zero evidence and based off stuff that doesn't make sense. Nobody has ever told me to kill my babies and if "they" did, I simply wouldn't do it. Pretty simple really. I don't have one kid because I'm being responsible, I have one kid because that's just sort of how it worked out.
Mofo Fly]
I can actually show you using todays tech how its all possible.. to feed/shelter everyone, provide unlimited energy, etc. but the bigger/better point is - with how quickly our tech is advancing the solutions to those problems will be available. Take note that currently our tech it advancing faster than we are breeding..
Direct recurring example of Firax's statement about you doing the whole "You should see the stuff I have" thing and then producing nothing. Normally at this point in a debate I'd say, okay, show me, but I really actually don't want you to do that because I'm kind of terrified of the direction things will go from here if I do. So seriously, please don't.
Mofo Fly]
If you want, than I'll send you some of the documentation on WWIII - particularly a copy of the 1979 manifesto done by Harvard, the Illuminati, etc. - 'Secret Weapons for Quiet Wars' ; its the documentation for the 25 year anniversary of the start of WWIII & explains in great detail exactly what they are doing.. using the education systems.. socio/economic programs.. etc. to get control not just here in America but the rest of the world. When you read this stuff from 1979 & see how they explain what they are going to do with things like oil - & then you look back to the Bush presidency years & the things going on with Oil during those times.. you will go OMFG - its right there just one of the DYNASTIC plans written out 30 years ago & executed in the 2000's.
You really have no idea how truly scary the evil geniuses are man.. When you start to read about plans laid out 30-60 years ago & then you turn on the TV to see its actually happening RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOUR VERY EYES.. you just might have to check your shorts for shit.. there will definitely be some pee
Fly.....do you really believe if there was some sort of secret organization controlling all financial, education, military, etc systems that this organization would write some manifesto explaining it all and then accidentally let it fall into the wrong hands and go public. Do you even tin foil hat?