Originally Posted By: [LoD
Holden]It would just seem like a lot of senseless people get murdered for no reasons, most of all it seems like school type shootings. Wouldn't America be safer with more tougher gun laws?



No, not at all. Rolo linked a pretty well sourced study earlier in the thread which showed that tougher gun laws have no measurable impact on gun violence at all. This idea is also illogical. Someone that's capable of murder outside of self-defense isn't going to give a shit about obtaining a gun illegally.

There's hundreds of millions of guns already in circulation. Gun laws almost never apply retroactively. Meaning if you obtained a gun legally, if that gun becomes illegal, you can usually still keep it. You just can't buy any new guns of that type in the future. Do you think someone that wants to commit murder is going to have a hard time obtaining a gun illegally if they really want to?

In the US, convicted felons are not allowed to own guns. Sonya's a criminal defense lawyer. Maybe he can speak up on how frequently his clients who are charged with violent crimes involving guns are first time felony offenders? I bet it's not very often.....


Originally Posted By: [LoD
Roksmokar]
Originally Posted By: [LoD
Hexen]I think our current state-based gun legislation is just fine.


That statement went completely over the heads of the pro-gun squawk box.


It didn't go over my head at all. Hexen can correct me if I am wrong here. My interpretation of this comment based on what I know of Hexen is that he's saying that if a person on either side of the issue dislikes the gun laws where they live, they are free to move somewhere that has laws they prefer. State-based gun legislation is okay because by and large, the laws of that state will mirror the gun culture of that state.

He's right but I think that's an overly simplistic view. Yes, it's true for some people. Not for me. All my friends and my immediate family live in my state. My son lives here and so does his mom. My job and career are here. Picking up and moving to a pro-gun state is not a simple option for me and probably not for anyone else who's not single with no strong ties to a particular state. So yea, in my state when and where I can, I will fight back against any legislation that restricts gun ownership.

Last edited by [LoD]Vermithrax; 06/12/14 06:18 PM.