Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion Glad I'm not in Ferguson...

I've actually read a fair bit of what has been posted in other threads/debates. You're almost always irrational, logically inconsistent and full of red herrings. You love to argue with yourself. You may not think I have you pegged, but I'm pretty sure I do. You get your playbook from Alex Jones, Ron Paul, and Ayn Rand(to a lesser extent, but your philosophy owes a lot to her... a lot of people made fun of her stupid arguments too). Your arguments are typically truisms/low-hanging fruit, but naive and lacking any amount of deeper consideration. Or your only deeper considerations are V for Vendettaisque style irrationality.

"Police brutality is bad." for example. So is resisting, lack of cooperation/respect and undermining the rule of law in. The reason we don't see more law enforcement deaths is because of strict protocol. You may look at this protocol as 'excessive and unreasonable force/action,' but you're an idiot and it saves cop's lives. From simple unhinging gun holsters during routine traffic stops, to shooting a man running at them with a knife. Respect first, lawsuit later. Literally just listened to Sam Harris talking about this on the Joe Rogan podcast. Listen from 1:17.20-whatever something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Q6CWv7IXo

I don't need to consult my tarot cards or quartz crystals to realize you're a fearful individual who has an irrational distrust of authority and government. From you defending Cliven Bundy, to attacking militarization of law enforcement, you've consistently shown yourself in that light. Why are you against militarization again(I really don't care, just a thought exercise)?

"Sonya is WAY better at it" - Sure, he's a smart guy and a lawyer. No offense taken. If I had a better grasp of language and debate than sonya, I wouldn't have as much faith in a our legal system.

"then don't read my posts. K thx" - Oh I rarely do, you never seem to shut the fuck up. It's no surprise that Rok/Sonya/Obs/Anti don't respond to your debate-bates much anymore... and it's not because of the reason you're thinking.

"If you want to dismiss these videos as being invalid because you 'don't know the context', fine, go ahead." - I will, but the proper phrase is that they have no context or facts. Police cameras and more types of surveillance will help this problem in the future. Aren't we getting into 'big brother' territory here though? Tell me your opinion about it, Vermi. Let's see how much more logically inconsistent you can get.

"I knew you'd come around eventually." - I was already here the entire time. I'm far left by basically every definition. It's usually my people who talk about police overreach/brutality, racial inequalities in the justice system, unfair treatment of minorities by law enforcement etc.... but I don't want you on my team. You guys make neo-cons seem professorial. It's like how libertarians and tea-baggers co-opted the occupy movement. Our concerns are the same, but our solutions are totally incompatible.

I actually agree with Plexx here.

There are two groups of libertarians; one group is the knee-jerk Alex Jones followers that believe everything is a conspiracy and post their anti The-man experiences on YouTube. If you don't adhere to this libertarian community-club then you are criticized and excommunicated for not being true to the cause.

Then there are the philosophical libertarians (me) that came to this worldview because it is consistent with the principles of our constitution. These libertarians believe in their philosophy as the most reasonable, consistent and best means to govern a people.

I'd like to draw a distinction here too, Flea. I wasn't actually insulting everyone who adheres to Libertarian principles. In fact, there are a few libertarian thinkers I admire greatly. Noam Chomsky for example, though he admittedly embraces a more left leaning form.

This is a cool discussion, I read each and every word.

haha, fucking brilliant. Thanks for higher taxes and a waning buying power, take an economics class please.

Another favorite of mine. You do realize some of the biggest critics of this practice are former military right? better trained than the police in question, across the board. You have your finger on that pulse right?.. Those insane libertarian vets, what do they know? clearly less than you..

You guys remember that 45 minute LA shootout in 1997 where the country was all angry that the police didn't have the proper equipment/weapons to deal with the situation?

People shouldn't have asked for it if they didn't want it to happen.

Lol, dude, a clever post that ultimately falls flat doesnt buy you points, trust me, you are dealing with an oligarchy.

Also, thats completely irrelevant bitch.

Yeah, I remember when everyone specifically asked for all Police officers to brandish Assault rifles at protests. That was a great day when we all set our differences aside and agreed to that.

If we google that great day we see that the world came together as one, held each others hands, and said "Lets militarize our police force". What a conscious effort we all made to change our police forces that day, and now we must sit back and just lie in the bed we made.

You shouldn't have shown up to the election polls that day and made that vote, its your own faults. It's all our own faults. We didn't listen to those who were the voice of reason. We didn't listen!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqUUlBwtKNs

It was when police started being allowed to carry the assault rifles though. I didn't say I agreed with it. I am just saying the outrage allowed for it to happen and it shouldn't have. I have always believed that only a small group such as SWAT should have access to such things, and they only be called in for emergency situations.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9709/22/m16s/ <Article from Sept 1997

I am just saying that it was city council votes that put this in play across the country. Before that only SWAT could carry ARs or a pistol with a caliber larger than 9mm.

I have always taken issue with policy being changed based on a single incicent in most cases. Obviously we haven't seen a shooting like this since. It happens all the time. One random ass thing happens and the media goes apeshit causing local goverment to institute some bullshit.