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You guys might remember a post a while back about Anderson Cooper vs Dan Burton. They argued over whether there was a link between vaccinations and autism. This post isn't about autism but more about the effectiveness of the vaccinations. I thought this was an interesting subject to look into. I've always been pro-vaccinations but after a significant amount of research, I'm not so sure they are as effective as the companies who make them would like us to believe.

If I would have said this to myself before my research I would have thought myself to be batshit crazy!

Think for a moment how long it's been since you got vaccinated and take a look at how long they last:

“HOW LONG DO VACCINATIONS LAST?
Cholera: 6 months
Diptheria: 10 years
Flu Vaccine: 1 year
Hepatitis: A 10 years
Hepatitis: B 10 years
Japanese Encephalitis: 3 years
Measles / Mumps / Rubella: 15 years
Meningitis: 1-3 years
Pneumonia: 5 years
Polio: 10 years
Rabies: 2-3 years
Tetanus: 5-10 years
Typhoid: 3 years
Yellow Fever: 10 years
Malaria: Whilst on medication
If in doubt ask your GP.”
Source: http://www.gladstoneparkmedical.com.au/files/CXERZ9TKSK/Travel_Health.pdf

If you're confident they're as effective as I thought they were, it might be time to get updated on your shots.

Check this out - Dr. Julie Gerberding, former director of the CDC (where she developed the CDC’s patient safety initiatives) became president of Merck's vaccines division. This is a huge conflict of interest. Not to mention there are previous employees of Merck who are now whistleblowers about falsifying documentation regarding the effectiveness of these vaccines.

Oxford conducted a study on the influenza vaccine and found out some surprising shit.
“We randomized 115 children to trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine (TIV) or placebo. Over the following 9 months, TIV recipients had increased risk of virologically-confirmed non-influenza infections (relative risk: 4.40; 95% confidence interval: 1.31-14.8). Being protected against influenza, TIV recipients may lack temporary non-specific immunity that protected against other respiratory viruses.”
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/54/12/1778

Whistleblower testifies: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/will-cdc-whistleblower-on-vaccines-testify-before-congress/

What are your thoughts? Has anyone researched this subject and found similar or conflicting evidence? There are bills being considered (and already in effect) that remove the choice to opt out of some/all vaccinations. If that bill fails, they would like to create a map of all people who are unvaccinated and make it publicly available. I get a feeling these decisions are being made by people who haven’t fully researched the subject.

The problem I have with anti-vaccination claims is that they tend to be just collections of general negative information about vaccinations, as opposed to concrete hypotheses that people can test. To me, it looks like the kind of logic where you start with the conclusion and work your way back. The autism connection is an example of a concrete claim that they can test, and as far as I know, they can't find a casual connection.

Regarding the link to the Austrialian medical clinic, the fact that the vaccines aren't permanent doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't helpful when they are given. For instance, babies are heavily vaccinated because they are far weaker than healthy adults so they can't tank acute illnesses as well. If adults don't get exposed to a treatable illness very often, it's probably more trouble than it's worth to keep them vaccinated. One way they do get exposed is via travel to new places, hence the advertisement for the clinic's services.

Regarding the conflict of interest, it doesn't surprise me, but it doesn't really say anything specific about the vaccines themselves.

In the Oxford link, the listed results of the study only speculate causes. The only speculated cause that might contribute to an anti-vaccination case is that "Receipt of TIV could increase influenza immunity at the expense of reduced immunity to noninfluenza respiratory viruses, by some unknown biological mechanism." All this means is, if that really is the reason why the numbers came out the way they did, then this specific vaccine, in addition to preventing you from getting the flu, might also make you more susceptible to other respiratory viruses, probably for around the same amount of time that the vaccine works.

That's my best guess anyway, I have no medical training whatsoever so take everything I say with a truckload of salt. I'm all for independent research on medication, I do it for everything because I always end up with horrible doctors. The problem with the vaccine controversy is that it's tied up in theoretical, technical medical research, and when it comes down to the yes or no question of "do I vaccinate my kid", well, sometimes perfect is the enemy of good.

Never had a flu shot, never had the flu. Same for everyone on my dads side of the family. thank you british genes!

As for the others, i only got the vaccines as school required/recommended in texas.

Australia has this one right. They cut off government support to idiots who don't want to get vaccinated.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-32274107

Same here. Well I got the swine flu once but no regualr flu for me!

edit: Im not against vaccinations though, I just dont like shots.

I don't like shots either.

I dislike getting sick from preventable diseases more.

When it starts happening ill start getting shots!

This issue hits home with people that have children moreso than others I think

Kids are germ factories, especially at daycares. Imagine so hippy piece of shit's kid getting your kid sick because they aren't vaccinated because it's against their beliefs.

THAT is what pisses me off. Vaccines shouldn't be option in public institution situations like schools, daycares, military, etc. At this point I don't think they are optional, however, I'm sure there are some hippy pieces of shit trying to fight this.

I can see this thread going places...