Lords of Death Forums Lords of Death Forums LoD General Discussion Vaccinations!?

I'm a huge advocate of testing what we believe to be science. There are so many things which were considered science that we've proven to be incorrect. I doubt we're at the apex scientific or medical technology. There will continue to be more and more breakthroughs that prove what we believe to be true incorrect. Isn't that the whole purpose of science? To establish what we believe to be true then try to prove otherwise?

The vaccination issue is such a broad subject that you have to consider every scenario. I understand in a place like California where the population is over 38 million that it's a concern. What about the rural states though? California has 38 times more people than Montana. My kid stays at home with me, doesn't go to day care, we almost have no one coming through here when compared to places like LA who don't have a clue what's going on here. Why should they be dictating what happens with my kid?

In 2012, we had a Pertussis outbreak. 549 individuals contracted pertussis, 61% of them were aged 5-17. No one died.

There was one case of the mumps in an individual over the age of 50 who actually received the vaccination which should have prevented it.

https://dphhs.mt.gov/Portals/85/publichealth/documents/HIVSTD/2012CDEpiAnnualReport.pdf

These were the major outbreaks in the past 5 years.

We have a continuous flow of immigrants, legally and illegally who definitely don't get all the vaccines. It doesn't seem possible to me to vaccinate absolutely every person that we come in contact with or that comes to the US.

I'm confused as to how it would be a concern for someone who was vaccinated anyway. If vaccines are so effective, why is it a big concern when an individual who has been vaccinated is exposed to someone who hasn't? If you can, please provide scientific documentation to support this case.

I'm not advocating we go in one way or another, just questioning what has been established as the way we should be doing things or forcing others to do.

Relying solely upon common fucking sense (I don't have time to write a term paper on the subject) I'd say vaccinations are still way more helpful than they are harmful otherwise they wouldn't be offered anymore. Once Science proves otherwise I'm sure policy will change accordingly.

With that said I don't think the government should be able to FORCE anyone to inject anything into their bodies, however, if you want to be a part of any government institution (public schools, military) or government regulated institution (such as daycare) then I think they should have to abide by the rules including vaccinations.

Home schooled kids in rural living situations would be one of the lone exceptions as long as they aren't getting any kind of government assistance INCLUDING government subsidized healthcare. You aren't going to NOT get vaccinated, then get sick, and then expect my taxes to pay for your healthcare.

In other words I'm fine if people want to be stupid in a vacuum as long as it doesn't have any chance to effect others.

I have no problem with not receiving help from the government to cover my expenses should something go wrong. But if that's going to be the case shouldn't people who smoke, get fat as fuck and partake in activities that pose an unnecessary health risk also have to accept the same terms? The idea of risk sharing is what has caused such an inflation in the cost of health care. We all pool money together, those with higher risk drive up the cost of everyone.

If you smoke, a lung cancer rider should be added to your health care. If you are fat as fuck, you shouldn't get coverage for diabetes, heart attack and high blood pressure since you don't take care of yourself. These are also illnesses which are directly related to the actions of the individual.

Vaccines are only effective on a herd basis. It is building herd immunity that makes the diseases and illness fall by the wayside.

Measles is a good example. A deadly disease that, around the turn of the 19th century, killed a lot of kids. Vaccine was developed, people got it because they didn't want their kids to die, measles was essentially wiped out of North America and much of the first world.

Now we get to the modern age where half-wit fucktards think they know better and start making shit up about links between autism and vaccines. They stop taking vaccines and encourage other stupid as fucking dirt retards to do the same. What happens? Measles makes a comeback.

Don't be a retard, kids.

By the way, this is the vaccine schedule. 0-6, and 7-18

I completely agree with this.

But isn't some of this in place already? I think smokers get hit on insurance premiums.

It used to be. With Obamacare the lower income families are assisted in purchasing insurance. I'm not sure whether or not they would still face riders, but they are typically at a higher risk for a variety of reasons.

When my son was born, my wife told me no vaccinations. I was like wtf? I had all immunizations as a child for school, had never researched the subject and in general thought they were a good thing.


After a ton of digging myself to disprove my wife and to protect my son, I had to agree with her.


Vaccinations are a business, like all medication. I don't give my kids medication they don't need.

Like a lot of medical testing and development, vaccines come from different biological sources, some clean and some I personally would not view as safe.

The total confirmed payout since vaccinations started by the government hrsa compensation program is 4,112 payouts $2,972,832,356.73 paid. If vaccines are safe, why a government program? Also 3 billion dollars for 4 thousand claims....

Vaccines require preservatives to prevent contamination. Thimerosal is considered to be the safest. All vaccines using Thimerosal are submitted to the FDA for testing. Here is what I have a problem with. It contains a large amount of Mercury. The FDA also has set limits on fish consumption due to Mercury content so why is one ok and not the other. For us, my wife did not eat fish during pregnancy, why would I inject Mercury instead? I asked our pediatrician if their immunizations schedule had Thimerosal and she couldn't tell me.

Here is the FDA list of vaccinations with supporting documents. Why don't all vaccines have supporting documents? Then read a few of them. Do they sound good?

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm093830.htm


Vaccines are temporary. Fuck you. Let me inject my kids with dead and deactivated disease every few years. Sounds great. Formaldahyde is the most widely used deactivator.

For my family these are the reasons we chose not to.

I am not going to expose my kids to risks I do not have to.

Vaccines absolutely work. Herd immunity exists. If the family down the street gets immunized, great. Means my kids don't have to.

If the risk/reward changed, then I might have to immunize. Right now, the risk outweighs the reward.

It is like joining the military. For those that do, great. Thanks for protecting my freedom. I don't have to right now. If WW3 broke out, and I had to join to protect my family and country I would.

You could've stopped at Obamacare. There's the problem.

Private insurance smokers still get hit I believe.

With the progress we made with sanitation, technology and medicine we were already causing a decline in many diseases. Which makes sense right? Consider having to shit in an outhouse or outside? We were creating a cesspool for diseases. You ever get shit on your hand? What if you didn't have running water? lol it would literally be the shits!

It LOOKS like vaccines made somewhat of a positive impact but I don't think giving them full credit and not acknowledging other advances we've made makes sense.





I agree, there are a lot of foaming at the mouth anti-vaccine retards that will say anything because of some fucked belief. IF it's science it will stand up to any test, any time, forever. All I'm saying is if we're going to force the entire country to take vaccines, maybe we should confirm our data first and not have someone with conflicting interests do it?

There's no doubt that some of these work and depending on the risk and situation that I would get myself and/or my kid vaccinated. There shouldn't be a problem with questioning something before acting on it. It's our obligation to one another as a civilized community to ensure we're making good decisions based on accurate information.