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Fuck vaccines I got the chicken pox twice and I had all that bullshit!

You're doing exactly that by not vaccinating lol.



Some Vaccines aren't all or nothing. The flu vaccine for example can just lessen the effects. In fact, you can still get the flu if you have the vaccine, however, chances of it being really bad or even fatal are much lower with the vaccine than without. You can still TRANSMIT the flu to others even if you have the vaccine and get the flu, so if they didn't get the vaccine, they'll get it much worse than you did.

So a non vaccinated kid could go to school with the flu and still get a bunch of kids with the vaccine sick. The kid without the vaccine has a higher chance of prolonged sickness or death, however.

The flu kills a fair number of kids each year.



So if enough people start thinking like you and not vaccinating and then lots of people get sick, you'll start vaccinating again? Where do you draw the line?

I figured I would ask the pediatrician. He basically said it was all or nothing and if I didn't do it that I should fuck off and go somewhere else. All I asked for was documentation supporting the effectiveness of the vaccines. The Doctor is the husband of my personal Doctor. He did give me a bunch of handouts with cartoons and shit on them though!

@ Hellion, no offense bro, but you are either lying about the amount of research you did or you didn't understand what you read. If you've ever studied chemistry, then you know there can be different types of the same element based on the type of chemical bonds that took place when the element was formed. The type of mercury found in fish is not the same type of mercury found in vaccines. This is the go-to argument for anti-vax retards and it's been proven false many MANY times.

In addition, this premise presents a number of other problems a couple of which are 1) Thimerosal has been pulled out of many of the vaccines because of anti-vax people and 2) The amount of mercury contained in one vaccine was about 1/3 the amount contained in a 2 ounche portion of tuna fish. Everything in a high enough concentration is toxic to life, including water. You can die from drinking too much water too quickly. Should you stop drinking water then? In addition, this argument's conclusion directly contradicts your overall premise that vaccinations are just a money grab from "big pharma". If you look at the reason thimerosal was used, it was as a preservative. In effect, it made the vaccines cheaper to produce and store. By removing it, you will increase the cost of production (unless they can find a suitable alternative) and therefor the cost to the consumer. In other words, by removing this horrible scary chemical, YOU ARE JUST GIVING THOSE BIG PHARMA BASTARDS MORE MONEY!!!!

Moreover, if you're going to ignore the advice of literally every doctor out there and not vaccinate your kids, make sure that you also don't use drugs of any sort, ever, for anything. Otherwise your logic is not consistent. In fact, you should probably just stop going to the doctor. We all know that smart people who go to ivy league medical schools don't know as much as laymans who attend the University of Google. Oh no wait, it's because it's a big conspiracy and all doctors are in on it...



Research herd immunity and the age vaccines can be administered. It's a problem because most people pop out multiple kids, not one. So what if I want to go to my son's sporting event at his school and I want to bring my 6 month old kid who can't have the measles vaccine yet? My choices are, take the risk of bringing that kid around the kids of retards who don't vaccinate or leave the kid at home. You can also be under vaccinated, meaning maybe you have only had your first dose of a multi-dose vaccine and are at a greater risk. So while a fully vaccinated person may not be at risk, those are not the people we're concerned about. Look at the Disney land measles outbreak. There were a couple of under vaccinated people that got it.



Similar type of law passed in California this year. As of 1/1/16, the religious and personal belief exemption for vaccines is gone for entry into school. Unless a doctor signs off on it with a detailed explanation of medical necessity, you cannot enroll your kid in school (public or private) unless they are up to date on their vaccines. There's going to be a lot of controversy surrounding that in 2016. The anti-vax people are trying to get a referendum on the ballot to repeal that law and the law suits will start being filed next year as soon as the first kid is denied entry into school.

Probably the best anecdotal argument I have ever heard for vaccines is this: Remember that one time your friend got polio? No, you don't because thanks to vaccines, polio has been eradicated in the US for decades. You could sub in any of the major diseases there. I personally don't know anyone that has had any of the major diseases we vaccinate for, some of which used to be a real problem before vaccinations were discovered.

As for hard science, Hexen pretty much nailed it on the head. If you review all the medical research, there's simply no evidence that supports that vaccines are harmful. However, many of them end up leaving unanswered questions like the one Hexen listed.

Lastly to Skull, I will just say, why are you taking it upon yourself to research this and asking people here, none of whom except Pug are doctors? If you get arrested for murder, would you represent yourself in court? If Hellion gets in a car accident on the way home today is he going to have his wife stitch up his wound or set his broken leg? Go ask a different doctor. Any doctor who will not take the time to explain this to you is a fucking asshole and doesn't deserve your business.

Using the military analogy.

Enemy bullets are the disease
Bullet proof vests are the vaccine

bullet proof vest won't stop all bullets
Bullet proof vest will slow you down

I bet you still wear it though.

Biggest difference here is if YOU don't wear your bullet proof vest and get shot, the guy next to you most likely won't be effected by the bullet that hits you.

If your kid doesn't get vaccinated and gets sick, it can hurt other kids. See Flu example.

I just figured he was trying to get Gfag started up again...

It's ok guys we don't need to worry, God will take care of us all!

I thought it was smallpox your kind had issues with.

It seems the Doctors (at least up here) just tell you what they've been told to tell you. They aren't actually as up to date with the progress like you would expect. My current pediatrician (Not the retard) gave recommendations of a few vaccines but said doing all of them was excessive. One of the vaccines he recommended was the MMR Vaccine.

When I am making a decision, especially when it's for someone else's well-being I want to be as well informed as possible. Taking into account that this issue may be imposed on us as a nation, I think it's worth discussing and making sure there are no surprises.

I question the validity of information provided by the manufacturers of the vaccines because of their strange activities like destroying documents.

Here's a briefing of a call of investigation of cdc fraud regarding the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine: http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546453/senator-posey-calls-investigation-cdc-fraud

and the civil cover sheet (I'm not so hot on this type of documentation, Sonya might have to explain who won the case lol):
http://probeinternational.org/library/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/chatom-v-merck.pdf

If the doctor's are basing their information off manipulated data without question, then I think that's worth researching. It all comes down to making an educated decision based on accurate information.

This is a very sensitive and passionate subject for many people so I appreciate everyone being as respectful of one another as possible.